1                                          1 September 2022




Komiti Iti Ara Waka |Traffic Subcommittee 

Minutes of a meeting held in the Council Chambers, 2nd Floor, 30 Laings Road, Lower Hutt on

 Thursday 1 September 2022 commencing at 2.00pm





Cr B Dyer (Chair)

Cr G Barratt


Cr J Briggs (Deputy Chair)

Cr A Mitchell


Cr N Shaw



APOLOGIES:                  Cr K Brown


IN ATTENDANCE:         K Puketapu-Dentice, Director Economy and Development

                                           J Kingsbury, Head of Transport

                                           B Hu, Traffic Engineer Manager

                                           R Soni, Traffic Engineer (via audio  visual link)

                                           K Davey, Democracy Advisor

                                           V Gilmour, Democracy Administrator






1.              KARAKIA


Whakataka te hau ki te uru

Whakataka te hau ki te tonga

Kia mākinakina ki uta

Kia mātaratara ki tai

E hī ake ana te atakura

He tio, he huka, he hau hū

Tīhei mauri ora.

Cease the winds from the west
Cease the winds from the south
Let the breeze blow over the land
Let the breeze blow over the ocean
Let the red-tipped dawn come with a sharpened air. 
A touch of frost, a promise of a glorious day.



2.       APOLOGIES

Resolved: (Cr Briggs/Cr Dyer)                                            Minute No. TSC 22401

“That the apology received from Cr Brown be accepted and leave of absence be granted.”




Comments are recorded under the item to which they relate.




Precedence of Business


Resolved: (Cr Dyer/Cr Briggs)                                             Minute No. TSC 22402     

“That, in terms of Standing Order 10.4, precedence be accorded to item 5b ‘Ad Hoc Bus Stops Configuration Review’.”

The item is recorded in the order in which it is  listed on the order paper.


          There were no conflict of interest declarations.     

5.       Recommendations to TE KAUNIHERA O TE AWA KAIRANGI |COUNCIL 4 OCTOBER 2022


Grounsell Crescent Traffic Management-Proposed Speed Cushions (2) (22/2151)


The Head of Transport elaborated on the report. He noted the complaints received about speed and the safety of traffic in Grounsell Crescent. He said officers had been in contact with Waka Kotahi New Zealand Transport Agency (Waka Kotahi) and there was ongoing discussion. He advised that the proposed changes would not affect any plans Waka Kotahi had for the area.

In response to a questions from a member, the Head of Transport acknowledged that Waka Kotahi recommended a speed limit of 40km for Grounsell Crescent. He said all speed limits were being looked at through the Speed Management Programme. He advised the quickest way to reduce speeding in Grounsell Crescent was through the use of the speed cushions proposed. He advised that the placement of the speed cushions were calculated based on the appropriate spacing required and the location of driveways. He advised there would not be any increase in noise levels.  He confirmed that traffic counts had been carried out.

In response to a question from a member, the Head of Transport acknowledged that public feedback suggested closing the slipway. He advised this was a decision for Waka Kotahi.

The Chair asked officers to provide the residents with an update, thank them for their input and confirm that officers are working alongside Waka Kotahi on the State Highway 2 corridor.



RECOMMENDED: (Cr Dyer/Cr Mitchell)                           Minute No. TS22403

“That the Subcommittee recommends that Council:

(1)      receives and notes this report; and

(2)      approves the implementation of up to two sets of the proposed speed cushions on Grounsell Crescent under 2.2(b)(xi) of the Traffic Bylaw attached as Appendix 1 to the report.”

For the reasons of reducing the likelihood of unnecessary speeding, improving safety for all street users, encouraging sustainable travel mode choices (ie cyclists and pedestrians), reducing traffic volumes, especially heavy vehicles, and providing an improved streetscape amenity.



Ad Hoc Bus Stops Configuration Review (22/1919)


Speaking under public comment M Stock and T Stock tabled their written comments attached as page 8 – 14 to these minutes. M Stock questioned the need for the change in the location and questioned the parking restrictions.

The Traffic Engineering Manager elaborated on the report. He advised the current bus stop 9214 Major Drive did not have a safe standing position with limited accessibility located on a private driveway. He added it did not have space for the extended tapers required and it was located at a T intersection. He said the proposed new bus stop was part of a wider programme designed to accommodate higher capacity buses requiring longer ingress and exit tapers. He noted the current proposal was a safe location. He said that officers had tried to contact M and T Stock. He advised the concrete pad at the proposed location was required to provide a flat even surface for accessibility. He added the new location did not include a shelter. He said the white L bars were not a parking restriction rather indicated a safe parking space. He confirmed that the pedestrian crossing on Major Drive was not a zebra crossing. He noted it had lines indicating a safer crossing point and was considered the same as a zebra crossing.

In response to questions from members, the Traffic Engineering Manager advised the broken yellow lines had been kept at 9m. He said if necessary they could be extended. He noted that parking was not allowed over an accessway. He confirmed that officers had not had conversations with the property owners at 131 and 133 Major Drive.

In response to further questions from members, the Traffic Engineering Manager advised that the planned development in Rata Street had been taken into consideration when reviewing bus stop 8283. He said that MetLink and Greater Wellington Regional Council were developing plans for bus services and frequency for this area.

In response to questions from members, the Traffic Engineering Manager confirmed the current location of bus stop 9214 Major Drive was in front of a driveway so a flat surface could not be provided. He confirmed that the changes to bus stop 9214 Major Drive were for safety reasons.

Members acknowledged and thanked M and T Stock for their input.  Members reiterated the changes were made to allow for better safety and accessibility.



recommended: (Cr Dyer/Cr Mitchell)                       Minute No. TSC 22404


“That Traffic Subcommittee recommends that Council:


(1)   notes and receives the report;

(2)   approves the proposed changes on Bus Stop 8168 (Waiwhetu Road, Waiwhetu) as attached as Appendix 1 to the report;

(3)   approves the proposed changes on Bus Stop 8283 (Rata Street, Naenae) as attached as Appendix 2 to the report;

(4)   approves the proposed changes on Bus Stop 8731 (Seaview Road, Seaview) as attached as Appendix 3 to the report;

(5)   approves the proposed changes on Bus Stop 8732 (Seaview Road, Seaview) as attached as Appendix 4 to the report;

(6)   approves the proposed changes on Bus Stop 9111 (Victoria Street, Alicetown) as attached as Appendix 5 to the report; and

(7)   approves the proposed changes on Bus Stop 9214 (Major Drive, Kelson) as attached in Appendix 6 to the report.”

For the reasons that the proposed bus stop layout changes will ensure that the bus box is of sufficient length to accommodate buses; no stopping restrictions will prevent other vehicles from blocking full access to the bus stop; and passengers will be able to board and alight safely and easily.



6.       Information Item


Traffic Subcommittee Forward Programme 2022 (22/2003)

Report No. TSC2022/4/151 by the Democracy Advisor


In response to questions from members, the Head of Transport advised that the planned programme was achievable. He noted that resources had to be prioritised.  He said there was the possibility for delays due to unforeseen work required responding to urgent traffic matters.

In response to a question from a member, the Head of Transport advised that the city wide parking review was a large piece of work and would take 12 months to complete.

The Director Economy and Development further advised that the proposed  Parking Policy would be a contentious issue and would require consultation with the community. He said there were significant matters to be considered.

The Head of Transport noted the importance of the Eastern Hutt Road, as an arterial route, and its importance not just to Lower Hutt but to the wider Wellington region.


Resolved: (Cr Dyer/Cr Mitchell)                                Minute No. TSC 22405

“That the Subcommittee receives and notes the Forward Programme for 2022 attached as Appendix 1 to the memorandum.


7.       QUESTIONS

There were no questions




Closing formalities - Karakia Whakamutunga



Unuhia i te uru-tapu-nui

Kia wātea, kia māmā

Te ngākau, te tinana, te wairua i te ara takatū

Koia rā e Rongo whakairihia ake ki runga

Kia wātea, kia wātea!

Ae rā, kua wātea!

Hau, pai mārire.

Release us from the supreme sacredness of our tasks

To be clear and free
in heart, body and soul in our continuing journey

Oh Rongo, raise these words up high

so that we be cleansed and be free,

Yes indeed, we are free!

Good and peaceful




There being no further business the Chair declared the meeting closed at 2.41 pm.






B Dyer








CONFIRMED as a true and correct record

Dated this 4th day of October 2022



My name is Marie Stock. Terry and I have lived at 135 Major Drive, Kelson, for 48 years.

There are many reasons why we have remained in Kelson including its easy access and the fact that there is on road parking in front of our home.

The revised decision to relocate bus stop 9214 was unbelievable. After 45 years as a safe bus stop, the original stop was no longer acceptable?!!

The loss of parking in front of our property will greatly affect family, friends and service people. We have a steep, narrow driveway which people find difficult to negotiate. On several occasions the house has been damaged by overconfident service people, so we prefer that their vehicles remain on the road.

The neighbouring properties at 133, 137 and 139 also have steep driveways.

Unfortunately there will be inconvenience wherever the bus stop is located. However the properties at 121,123, 125 and 127, by the existing bus stop and as first proposed, have flat areas at the front of their houses and thus off road parking for service people etc.

(See illustrations)

Although you have been told there are parks in the area, we would be competing for them with other neighbours with similar sections.

On road parking is precious to us and as yet we have not heard any compelling reasons for the shift.


Thank you.


121-129 Major Drive. Google Street View 2019

131-137 Major Drive. Google Street View 2019

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133 -135 Major Drive is the site of the second bus stop proposal (and currently receiving Council consideration). 131-137 Major Drive. Driveways fall steeply from the road.






The Chair

Hutt City Council Traffic Committee Dear Chair & Councillors

135 Major Drive

Kelson Lower Hutt

28 August 2022

Traffic Committee Meeting 1 September 2022: Bus Stop 9214 (Major Drive, Kelson)


Thank you for the opportunity to make the submission to the Traffic Committee on 30 July about proposed changes to bus stop 9214, Major Drive, Kelson.


I was wondering if there was any progress on the matter. This caused me to look up the minutes that are now available for 30 June; and the agenda for your meeting on 1 September.


Your 1 September agenda contains a revision to the bus stop proposal. Page 27 has:

9.    Bus stop # 9214 has had changes made to address/minimise issues raised at the previous Committee meeting by members of the public.


We have had absolutely no contact from Metlink or Council officers about this new iteration. So I am really surprised that you have received the proposal in appendix 6.


Some comment on the 30 June minutes:

… bus stop 9214, Major Drive, Kelson needed to be changed, as currently it was in an unsafe location opposite an intersection and next to a school.…

The current bus stop site is at a “T” intersection with Taieri Crescent. The agendas of previous meetings of your committee illustrate numerous bus stops at “T” intersections.

The School entrance is on Taieri Crescent and is remote from the current bus stop.


a bus stop was required to be located after a pedestrian crossing

The Major Drive crossing for pedestrians is not a “pedestrian crossing” but there are refuges for pedestrians, and it has a school operated control immediately before and after school. The existing bus stop site, and the site of the first proposal, is well clear of the crossing and its relationship to the crossing is no cause for its relocation.


… officers were working with the local school on a School Travel Plan to assist with student safety…

I am not familiar with this work but acknowledge I am not part of the school community. I am surprised however that if work is actually being done that there is not greater community awareness.


If I had had contact from Councils officers about the 1 September proposal I would have acknowledged that it has made a modest step towards one of my concerns. If I had had the opportunity I would have advised them:

1.         I still am not satisfied that the bus stop needs to be relocated from the existing and as initially proposed location. The reasons seem specious; and premature pending resolution of the claimed School Traffic Plan; and also inconvenient for Taieri Crescent bus passengers.

2.         I would have questioned the retention of the yellow lined “no parking” and been surprised at the necessity for the new proposal of “x2 L Bars” next to the pedestrian refuge and outside No 131. There are not always such parking restrictions on the vehicular exit side of pedestrian refuges or pedestrian crossings (see attached illustrations); and there is no need to provide additional parking limitations.

3.         I would have questioned the immediate need for a concrete pad outside 135 (this is the blue square at Appendix 6). Concrete pads in grass berms do not feature on many (or any?) plans of other bus stops submitted for your consideration. I would have requested deferral of this element until the actual effect of passengers alighting on the grass has been assessed.


I intend to attend your meeting on 1 September. I do not see a need to speak to add to this submission, but can if invited.


I request the committee to not approve recommendation 7 on page 26 of your agenda and that it be deferred until after officers have consulted people affected by the proposal.


Yours sincerely Terry Stock






This from drivingtests.co.nz illustrates standard yellow line markings at a pedestrian crossings.


Screen shot 577 High Street, Lower Hutt, illustrating parking allowed on the exit side of a pedestrian crossing: